--- Log opened Sat Sep 16 16:10:13 2006 16:10 <@JurassicC> : Can you please comment on the q+a on by bill mcewan, any thoughts ? 16:10 <@Rogue> About Bill McEwan, I cannot comment on this. If you have questions about it, try to ask them but as long as they concern legal issues, no comment (see above) 16:11 <@Rogue> Another comment on the release date: 16:11 <@JurassicC> : Do you know anything about OS5 ? 16:11 <@Rogue> We've made a lot of progress recenlty, so we *are* pretty sure that it will be December. 16:12 <@JurassicC> : Does the december release include classic amigas 16:12 <@Rogue> Classic so far is uncertain, that may be a bit later since the classic version lag behind slightly. 16:12 <@EntilZha> About OS5: No, I don't know anything. We have been contacted by Amiga some two months ago. They asked us if we would be willing to write the OS5 kernel fro them... 16:13 <@RigoBB4> if amiga inc. release OS5 will hyperion still be suppoting and updating OS4, if so, would it only be if it's financialy viable? 16:13 <@RigoBB4> Were you willing to write the kernel? 16:14 <@EntilZha> Our product is OS4. We will support it, as long as we can. Of course, we will have to watch our financial side. 16:14 <@Rogue> Trez: That hasn't been decided yet. There where just informal talks, and no concrete offer. 16:15 <@EntilZha> We would be willing, but of course, we're currently contractually bound to Hyperion and OS4 work 16:16 <@JurassicC> : Considering Mac PPC are not available anymore. Could OS4 be ported to the legacy mac ppc machines ? 16:17 <@EntilZha> Technically yes. However, the documentation situation concerning Macs hasn't changed, and from experience I know that working on completely undocumented hardware is very difficult. As such, it's not really a viable solution from a financial standpoint. 16:17 <@JurassicC> : What are your thoughts about OS4 on the Playstation3 ? 16:18 <@Rogue> My thoughts... "Wouldn't that be cool?" :-) 16:18 <@RigoBB4> If today, a hardware manufacurer would make an A1200 PowerPC card, will this new card be covered by the current OS4 license for classic amiga accelerators? 16:18 <@Rogue> WE're going to look into PS 3 when its out. 16:19 <@EntilZha> To the best of my knowledge, yes, any PowerPC accelerator hardware for classic Amigas is covered by the license 16:19 <@RigoBB4> Q: If there *is* some problem between Hyperion and AInc., what can *we* do to help? 16:19 <@Rogue> The legal situation is an internal affair between Amiga and Hyperion, no one, not even me, can do anything about that. 16:20 <@JurassicC> : If OS4 is finished in december 2006, what are you starting on next ? 16:20 <@RigoBB4> Hows the os4 port of OpenGL coming along? 16:21 <@EntilZha> We are dedicated to continuing AmigaOS development. 16:21 <@Rogue> OpenGL is on hold right now, since we're concentrating on the more essential stuff. I am happy to say that our ToDo list has gone down considerably, and full OpenGL support will very likely be a service pack/update to OS 4.0 final. 16:23 <@RigoBB4> <_PAB_> Do Hyperion see any new PPC hardware in the next few monthes ? 16:24 <@EntilZha> Yes. But as I said initially, we will not talk about hardware releases, since we do not produce hardware. 16:24 <@Rogue> We're working with third parties on several projects in several ranges, but we're leaving it to those companies to make announcements about it, but yes, we see hardware coming soon. 16:26 <@RigoBB4> Q: Which new features are planed for the final release of OS4? 16:28 <@EntilZha> The feature list hasn't really changed a lot... There's a new surprise in Intuition coming up, and we've used the time to make some optimizations in several parts of the system... 16:28 <@EntilZha> One of the new features will be support for paging memory to disk ("virtual memory") 16:29 <@JurassicC> : We know the answer already, but would a X86 be considered ? 16:29 <@JurassicC> port 16:29 <@EntilZha> Well, since you already know the answer.... 16:29 <@EntilZha> Our license says "PowerPC"... we can't do an X68 version even if we wanted to... 16:29 <@JurassicC> LOL 16:29 <@EntilZha> I mean, x86 :) 16:30 <@RigoBB4> QUESTION: What is the status of the Mesa3D port? Will it be released for AmigaOS4 final? 16:30 <@Rogue> See above, I answered the question about OpenGL already... Replace OpenGL with Mesa3D and you have it ;-) 16:30 <@Rogue> There are a few "issues" that make a clean solution a bit more difficult... 16:31 <@Rogue> ... so we're not going to hurry it and try to make a seamless integration. 16:31 <@JurassicC> : Do you have any prototypes from the new hardware developers already, eg troika, ack, the samantha project ? 16:32 <@EntilZha> No comment on that, it's for the hardware companies to announce things like that. 16:32 <@RigoBB4> question: What the chances of seeing OS4 on pegasos machines in the near future? 16:33 <@Rogue> No comment. The Pegasos issue has been discussed quite a lot in the public, and there is not much to add to that. 16:34 <@Rogue> A few things need to happen for that to come true, so no one is ruling it out. 16:34 <@Rogue> But the decision is not mine anyway. 16:35 <@JurassicC> : If you were to do a port of OS4 to PS3, how long would you estimate it would take ? 16:35 <@EntilZha> Hard to say. The Cell is substantially different from the usual PowerPC (it's 64 bit and has the SPE's, which require a completely new approach). 16:36 <@JurassicC> : Any plans for a commercial os4 port to IBM cell blades. with out the need for legacy 68K support ? 16:36 <@Rogue> Not at this point, no. 16:36 <@EntilZha> Not ruling it out, though... 16:36 <@RigoBB4> What plans & timetable do you have for supporting the modern printers? Current printer support is quite poor. 16:37 <@EntilZha> Can't say anything about printer support, to be honest... it's not my field of work, and I don't know what Hyperion plans in that respect. 16:37 <@EntilZha> We already looked at porting CUPS, which should not be too difficult. 16:39 <@JurassicC> : What do you guys do to relax, when not working on os4 ? 16:39 <@Rogue> Both of us love playing pool, and we both enjoy playing Neverwinter Nights... 16:39 <@EntilZha> Relax ? What's that ;) 16:39 <@RigoBB4> What's the deal with the OS4 site being down? 16:40 <@Rogue> (Neverwinter nights would be a game I'd like to port (hint ;-))) 16:40 <@Rogue> (hope my boss reads that) 16:40 <@EntilZha> We had severe technical issues, which should be reoslved in the meantime, except for the OS4 information site... it should be back up in a few days, too 16:41 <@RigoBB4> Do they plan any new game port in the nearest future? 16:42 <@EntilZha> Not right now, no... we've got our hands full of work 16:43 <@JurassicC> who is better at pool ? 16:43 <@Rogue> me! 16:43 <@EntilZha> Me! 16:43 <@RigoBB4> as you said, you'll release os4 by the end of 2006 but new eyetech a1 are unavaiable. Does this mean that you are porting/you've already ported aos4 to other platform(s)? 16:44 <@EntilZha> As I said above: If hardware is available, which I'm quite sure it will be 16:44 <@JurassicC> have you heard from eyetech recently ? 16:45 <@Rogue> Not in a while, but that is just me. I can't comment on Hyperion, I only had contact with Eyetech on technical isses. 16:46 <@JurassicC> Q: When overlay to Radeon? 16:46 <@Rogue> Radeon overlay support has just been finished yesterday. 16:47 <@JurassicC> : will amiupdate be included in os4 ? 16:48 <@EntilZha> AmiUpdate is a third party program, so I don't really know.. I use it for keeping my machine up to date, and it's a really good program, so I hope it will be 16:48 <@RigoBB4> is OS4 already running in some of the new hardware? 16:49 <@Rogue> No comment, see above. Any such event is for the hardware manufacturer to annouce. 16:49 <@JurassicC> For example, if Troika would convert their 16:49 <@JurassicC> legacy port to an A1200 expansion bus interface, will it be covered by the 16:49 <@JurassicC> current licence 16:50 <@RigoBB4> If OS4 isn't released by christmas, will you buy all of us amigausers a round of beers? 16:50 <@Rogue> See above, the question was already asked more or less... It's a legal thing, so and neither EnilZha nor me are lawyers. 16:50 <@EntilZha> NO COMMENT on the beer issue!!! 16:50 <@Rogue> No :-P 16:51 <@EntilZha> Besides, beer is NOT covered by the OS4 license ;) 16:51 <@RigoBB4> What about the release party in Belgium at Bens invitation? :P 16:51 <@EntilZha> That sounds better :) 16:51 <@JurassicC> : how is work on the RKM's going ? 16:52 <@Rogue> No work on that has been done so far, we're *planning* it but they're still a moving target. There must be some new documentation/updates to the RKM's without doubt, though. 16:52 <@JurassicC> Finally: would you like to make a final closing comment 16:53 <@Rogue> Most of the info in the RKM's is still valid anyway. 16:53 <@EntilZha> Yes. We would like to thank everyone who's still with us after all those troubled times. Believe me when I say it wasn't easy for us either. 16:54 <@EntilZha> Thanks for all the support. It's highly appreciated, even though I sometimes don't sound like it ;) 16:54 <@JurassicC> Thank you for your time and the answers. 16:54 <@Rogue> Er, yeah :-) 16:54 <@RigoBB4> EntilZha/Rogue: All of us would like to thank you two for sparing the time to come here and answer our questions too. Good luck 16:54 <@Rogue> Thanks for giving us the opportunity :-) 16:54 <@JurassicC> round of applause from here 16:55 * Rogue bows 16:55 * EntilZha bows 16:55 <@RigoBB4> 16:55 * Rogue is watching the video feed ;-) 16:55 <@JurassicC> OLI HD up next after a beer break 16:55 <@JurassicC> boo 16:56 <@EntilZha> Bye, everyone --- Log closed Sat Sep 16 16:56:10 2006